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Frontenac

#1 Post by GJH » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:14 pm

Here is one you may never see (Complete at least)
This is the experiment that flopped and became the stuff of hunting
legend.

Let's Start with the Illinois Trophy (Model 202)
This little watch is really fun and comes in WFG and YGF.
Here is a bunch of them, including a Black Dial, a Super hard to find Custom dial, and Enamel numbered Dial

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WADSWORTH CASE:

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17J 207 Movement:
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Custom Dial:
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Black Dial:
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Enameled Numbers:
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Ok... Back to the Frontenac.

The Wadsworth Case Company decided to come out with a band that "integrates" into
a case. It pretty much snaps into the case where lugs would normally be and the Wadsworth
band was advertised and seen on several watch companies including Waltham, Elgin and Hamilton.

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The problem with all this is that there are no lugs and when the band gets worn out or
if it gets broken, you are done. I have searched high and low for more of these bands
and they are just not around. Not sure how long they were produced, but more ads for
them have survived than the bands.

Anyway, here is an INTACT, ORIGINAL Frontenac. I have never seen another.

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Band:

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Re: Frontenac

#2 Post by GJH » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:31 pm

And oh yes...
If anyone has one of these bands in white gold filled,
Please PM me.
Thanks.
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Re: Frontenac

#3 Post by retroworx » Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:35 am

Thanks for posting these -- I am still absorbing all the Illinois info.

Love the size of these!
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Re: Frontenac

#4 Post by Magpie » Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:42 am

I know the "Frontenac" was advertised in "natural" (yellow) gold-filled as well as white. Has one of these ever turned up, even in an incomplete state?

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Re: Frontenac

#5 Post by GJH » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:53 am

Magpie wrote:I know the "Frontenac" was advertised in "natural" (yellow) gold-filled as well as white. Has one of these ever turned up, even in an incomplete state?
Very right B. It was advertised in both YGF and WGF. I have seen a YGF band out there, but it was attached to a Hamilton.
A YGF example of the Frontenac has yet to surface, and if it did, would be quite a treat.
Do you have the original ad handy for the Frontenac?
Would love to see it.
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Re: Frontenac

#6 Post by Magpie » Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:44 pm

Yep, I have at least one ad. I'll try to post it/them tonight.

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Re: Frontenac

#7 Post by afire » Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:33 pm

GJH wrote: Here is a bunch of them, including a Black Dial, a Super hard to find Custom dial, and Enamel numbered Dial

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Great watches. But doesn't it seem like the hand on the luminous and enamel versions should be swapped? Seems like the plain hands should go on the enamel dial and the lumed hands on the lumed dial. Just my stray observation.
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Re: Frontenac

#8 Post by Dave » Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:29 pm

I updated the Illinois Photo Thread with some of these new photos and the bracelet information on the Frontenac. I will also link back those entries to this thread for those seeking more detailed info from the photo thread.

Now I have to ask, where does the Westchester model 202 fit into this scheme of things?
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Re: Frontenac

#9 Post by Magpie » Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:37 pm

Here, as promised, is an ad for the "Frontenac." It's from the 1930-31 catalog of A.I. Hall (San Francisco). I also have the Becken ad that Fred mentions in his writeup of that watch in The Illinois Watch but I didn't see any reason to put it up too, as it's identical to this one.

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Re: Frontenac

#10 Post by Magpie » Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:46 pm

Dave, as I understand it from what Fred says in his book, the Westchester is the same case model as these others but has a metal (non-integrated) bracelet.

Maybe Greg has one with the bracelet (or, if not, a picture of one).

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