misaligned AGN in 10, 11 & 12 o'clock - very common

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misaligned AGN in 10, 11 & 12 o'clock - very common

#1 Post by QuartzCrisis » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:57 am

I’ve noticed that often AGN in 10, 11 & 12 o'clock are misaligned. This seems to be common, I see multiple watches like that online. For example in below picture of two 1930s Custers:
- 1 and 2 are misaligned on the left watch, but fine on the right watch
- 1 and 0 are misaligned on the left watch, but fine on the right watch

Why is that? I doubt high quality Hamilton’s QC would let the watch to leave the factory like that. But somehow I don’t see that many Hamilton collectors are too concerned about the “issue” like that.

I would appreciate any knowledge on this topic. I’m not new to vintage watch collecting, but I know nothing about vintage Hamilton and I need you guys to help me to learn. Thank you!
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Re: misaligned AGN in 10, 11 & 12 o'clock - very common

#2 Post by Nookster » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:33 pm

The 0 is on wrong is all, look at the one on the left, look how it's thick it's on the left side of the 0, vs. the right side. Just turn it around and it will line up.

I would assume the 2 in 12 got bent when it was taken off an refinished.

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Re: misaligned AGN in 10, 11 & 12 o'clock - very common

#3 Post by afire » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:38 pm

QuartzCrisis wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:57 am
I would appreciate any knowledge on this topic.
The following is pure speculation, not to be confused with actual knowledge. But one explanation that would explain the misalignment would be that perhaps the "0" on the left is upside down. Meaning, the mounting nibs are not symmetrical, so it seats differently upside down. For the 2, is it possible that the stand alone "2" and the "2" in "12" are not interchangeable, and seat differently due to the mounting nibs not being in the exact same positions? Also, I've seen AGN dials where the numerals are glued on after refinishing (and maybe that is actually the norm, not sure), in which case, it's not hard to see how they might not be perfectly positioned after a refinishing.
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Re: misaligned AGN in 10, 11 & 12 o'clock - very common

#4 Post by Nookster » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:23 pm

I agree that the "2's" might be different. I am not near a dial and can't test that theory, but I know the 0 is upside down.

The 2 might be mangled as they are thin and bend easily, but would be cool if "quartz crisis" could change them and send new pics.
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Re: misaligned AGN in 10, 11 & 12 o'clock - very common

#5 Post by QuartzCrisis » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:33 pm

Nookster wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:23 pm
I agree that the "2's" might be different. I am not near a dial and can't test that theory, but I know the 0 is upside down.

The 2 might be mangled as they are thin and bend easily, but would be cool if "quartz crisis" could change them and send new pics.
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#6 Post by Nookster » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:03 pm

It's a great question you brought up and I think we figured it out?

When I get back in town this weekend, I think I have a Custer dial I can play around with.
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Re: misaligned AGN in 10, 11 & 12 o'clock - very common

#7 Post by QuartzCrisis » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:10 am

Nookster wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:03 pm
It's a great question you brought up and I think we figured it out?

When I get back in town this weekend, I think I have a Custer dial I can play around with.
yes, and thank you so much! This forum is great for somebody like me who wants to learn.

Please let me know if you discover anything new once you have a chance to try your Custer dial.

thank you!

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Re: misaligned AGN in 10, 11 & 12 o'clock - very common

#8 Post by Nookster » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:27 pm

Here is a Custer dial.

Photos 1&2 0's reversed and you can see the problem.

3rd photo is of the 2's swapped, they look the same to me.
The 0 normal
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The 0 turned around
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2's switched
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Re: misaligned AGN in 10, 11 & 12 o'clock - very common

#9 Post by QuartzCrisis » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:25 am

Thank you, Nookster! You've solved the mystery. Great pictures!

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